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- Jun 17, 2009 Well my personal view on it is that it's more of a scare tactic. You are correct for transactions that are processed though the casino where they are being processed uncoded (ie. Where 7995 is being bypassed) online casinos have no recourse.
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Croupier
Croupier is right
Looks like there is a first time for everything :D
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DJTeddyBear
Croupier is right -- the virtual BJ machines in Pennsylvania deal from separate shoes for each player and the dealer.
I don't think that's isolated to Pennsylvania.Online Casino Has No Recourse No Money
I'm under the understanding that ShuffleMaster's TableMaster machines does that for ALL games that can use multiple decks, and in all jurisdictions.
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁 Note that the same could be said for Religion. I.E. Religion is nothing more than organized superstition. 🤗
FleaStiff
A good deal of your post relates to what is a perception regarding the dealers actions and facial expressions. This is not evidence, the dealers are bored and often have fixed expressions in place.
I think you might want to rephrase the question as: Assuming that rigging the shoe is indeed going to work, how long would it take to rig it and how much additional money would be made for the time and effort the casino invested in that cheating.
Normally a casino has no need to cheat. Normally a casino manager is worried about losing a license if there is ongoing pervasive cheating.
In an Indian casino there is usually no fear about losing a license. Still there is no need for it to cheat, they just change the payout. With this mandated ante to play and a 6:5 payout, I sure don't see how you could really expect to win.
So on balance I'd say, its probably not rigged simply because its not worth their time and effort to do such a thing. Indian casinos are not noted for being cash cows for the players, they are noted for being cash cows for the tribes. I don't think anyone would play at an Indian casino if they happened to have an alternative that was close to them. Whether this one particular casino has a reputation or not, I don't know but your response should simply be to save up your money and go to Vegas where the exact same financial results may occur but you will not have the slightest worries about the fairness involved. It may not be a comfort to your wallet but it will be a comfort to your peace of mind.
Indian casinos often declare a slot machine jackpot to be a malfunction and the player has no recourse. If it happens in Vegas, you at least get an armed Gaming Officer and a right to a hearing. Thats the difference between a state being worried about its primary industry and a Tribe that has no worries about anything at all.
I think you might want to rephrase the question as: Assuming that rigging the shoe is indeed going to work, how long would it take to rig it and how much additional money would be made for the time and effort the casino invested in that cheating.
Normally a casino has no need to cheat. Normally a casino manager is worried about losing a license if there is ongoing pervasive cheating.
In an Indian casino there is usually no fear about losing a license. Still there is no need for it to cheat, they just change the payout. With this mandated ante to play and a 6:5 payout, I sure don't see how you could really expect to win.
So on balance I'd say, its probably not rigged simply because its not worth their time and effort to do such a thing. Indian casinos are not noted for being cash cows for the players, they are noted for being cash cows for the tribes. I don't think anyone would play at an Indian casino if they happened to have an alternative that was close to them. Whether this one particular casino has a reputation or not, I don't know but your response should simply be to save up your money and go to Vegas where the exact same financial results may occur but you will not have the slightest worries about the fairness involved. It may not be a comfort to your wallet but it will be a comfort to your peace of mind.
Indian casinos often declare a slot machine jackpot to be a malfunction and the player has no recourse. If it happens in Vegas, you at least get an armed Gaming Officer and a right to a hearing. Thats the difference between a state being worried about its primary industry and a Tribe that has no worries about anything at all.
WizardofEngland
Forgive my ignorance, but why is the there no fear of losing a licence in an Indian casino? I recently stayed at the Seminole Hard Rock in Florida, and noticed no difference between an indian casino and a traditional casino. I wasn't sure what to expect, but all was normal.
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DJTeddyBear
Forgive my ignorance, but why is the there no fear of losing a licence in an Indian casino?
Every time I see a statement like that, I wonder the same thing.I'm assuming that, unlike state licensed casinos, there is no outside authority available to oversee and/or settle dispites. There generally IS a self-appointed authority, but the feeling is, who do you think they will side with? And even if something is uncovered, who do you think they will report it to?
For the record, I don't believe any of it. I gotta believe that they have to answer to someone. Maybe not on the state level. Maybe on the federal level, but there's got to be some form of oversight.
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I recently stayed at the Seminole Hard Rock in Florida, and noticed no difference between an indian casino and a traditional casino. I wasn't sure what to expect, but all was normal.
I think even if the allegations were true, to a casual observer, you'd never notice anything different - except that the decor may have an Indian theme.Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁 Note that the same could be said for Religion. I.E. Religion is nothing more than organized superstition. 🤗
WizardofEngland
Not really an indian theme, just guitars and music related stuff everywhere. for some reason?http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
DJTeddyBear
Seminole may be Indian owned, and on soverign Indian land, but it's managed by, themed as, and named, Hard Rock.Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁 Note that the same could be said for Religion. I.E. Religion is nothing more than organized superstition. 🤗
WizardofEngland
I believe the casino in question is just outside the indian land, but with the amount of money the seminole's have, they can pretty much buy ANYTHING. I believe they loaned the state of Florida $1BN in return for legalized blackjack. They say roulette there is a matter of time.http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
FleaStiff
Forgive my ignorance, but why is the there no fear of losing a licence in an Indian casino?
Some Indian tribes are mere concoctions by lawyers, some Indian tribes are more cults than tribes. The main thing is that usually the licensing authority is a rubber-stamp entity created by the tribe itself. Some Indian tribes have tremendous political clout and economic clout.>I recently stayed at the Seminole Hard Rock in Florida, and noticed no difference between an indian casino and a traditional casino.
You didn't notice any craps or roulette, you didn't notice any significant Comps being awarded, you were in what was essentially a monopoly and therefore not required to be responsive to customers who have complaints.
WizardofEngland
I did get my whole bill comped for the stay though, meals, drink and mini bar, was circa $1,800. Not to shabby I think.http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
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Charging back online casino transactions is unethical! I've heard from a few friends of mine that they've racked up large credit card debt due to playing at online casinos and what they did to handle this seemed very unethical to me. They told me that after the racked up this debt on their credit cards they'd call the credit card companies and request that these charges be reversed. They said that they managed to succeed in several cases. If you for example were to buy something keep the item that you purchased and then call the credit card company and told them that you didn't buy that item it would be considered stealing. I think that the same thing applies here... The idea that you can charge as much as you wanted on your credit card and then reverse it seems wrong and nothing short of theft. Anyways I told this to my friends and they didn't really acknowledge the idea that it's considered theft... What do people here thing about this? | |
| Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:03 am | |
Re: Charging back online casino transactions is unethical! Charging back or reversing credit card transactions as related to online casinos has become a lot more difficult. Not only is it unethical but it can certainly lead to a lot of issues which I'll outline before. Working in the baking industry myself I know what some of these repercussions are both from the standpoint of the credit card companies, the banks and the casinos. 1.) If you charge back and you have a history of making credit card transactions that are related to gaming it's very unlikely that the bank will actually reverse the transaction. 2.) If you do charge back and are able to do so successfully (again very difficult to do these days) then you'll be listed as a higher risk user to the credit card companies. 3.) Casinos will definitely 100% blacklist you at the casino if you charge back and if you're luck and only if you're lucky you'd still be able to play at the casino but only by using deposit methods that are of '0' risk to the casino in terms of chargebacks. 4.) If you chargeback successfully there's a good chance that you'll be blacklisted on the entire casino software providers network. For example if you charge back at a Microgaming casino since they all share a negative database of users who have issued chargebacks in the past this information could be used to ban you globally across all Microgaming casino brands. There are several other reasons why you wouldn't want to charge back but these are merely to hightlight a few key points as to why I don't think it's a good idea to do so! | |
| Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:17 am | |
Re: Charging back online casino transactions is unethical! Yeah speaking as someone with expereince whatever you do don't charge back it's not worth the headaches and hassles that it brings with it. The only time a charge back is worth committing is when the charge that has come though on your credit card genuinely isn't yours to begin with. Seriously don't do it if you can avoid it... | |
| Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:53 am | |
Re: Charging back online casino transactions is unethical! Thanks everyone for your replies to my questions it's greatly appreciated... I've always felt like it wasn't worth it the whole charegback thing nor did I ever intend on issuing a chargeback myself I was merely more curious to know what people though of this situation. I definitely think it's wrong nor will I ever take such action unless the transactions I find on my credit card are genuinely fraudulent and charges that I never made to being with. | |
| Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:46 pm | |
Re: Charging back online casino transactions is unethical! What the heck does a fax back form do for the casino. It's not like they can send that to a US bank. A cc user can't legally authorize a casino to deduct from their account because of the UIGEA, nor can they authorize the casino to mask the charges as merchandise purchases - that is money laundering. So what does this form really provide for the casino? | |
| Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:47 am | |
Re: Charging back online casino transactions is unethical! Well my personal view on it is that it's more of a scare tactic. You are correct for transactions that are processed though the casino where they are being processed uncoded (ie. where 7995 is being bypassed) online casinos have no recourse. However the laws pertaining to the UIGEA are fairly ambiguous and because of that there are still several banks in the US that are not blocking 7995 coded online gambling related transactions. For those transactions that are processed legitimately though banks in the United States they do have recourse though the fax back form. I suppose the problem with charging back is that you never really know if the transaction is one that can be deemed legitimate or an uncoded transaction. Still my views are in line with those discussed herein. I don't think it's ethical to charge back transactions for money you did really spend. Especially when there's a chance it can come back around and bite you in the ass. | |
| Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:29 am | |
Re: Charging back online casino transactions is unethical! So a copy of someones id and credit card, really won't help the casino either if the transactions are coded wrong. | |
| Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:54 am | |
Re: Charging back online casino transactions is unethical! Yes that's correct however with transactions that are properly coded there is recourse for online casinos that can be taken with banks to issue legitimate claims. Since there's no way to tell for certain whether the transaction is coded or not it's really not worth it. Moreover credit card companies do not look fondly on people that charge back credit card transactions. | |
| Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:27 am | |
Re: Charging back online casino transactions is unethical! I agree with what bugatto is saying here in that it's really not worth it. Especially in the long run you're really working against yourself if you make chargebacks on legitimate online casino transactions at online casinos or any other gambling type activities you might involve yourself in online. | |
| Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:50 am | |
Re: Charging back online casino transactions is unethical! What about when the charge back is ligit? I am in the process of claiming in excess of £2000 that was deposited to a online casino from my bank account. I know 100% fact that i never made these transactions and the bank is making feel like a criminal. I have no history of using online or bricks and mortar casinos except for the odd online poker game that has never cost more than $10 or so. Does this mean I will get a bad credit rating? I dnt care about being banned from any casino because I dont use them. Your thoughts would be apreciated. Many thanks | |
| Thu May 27, 2010 11:43 am | |
Re: Charging back online casino transactions is unethical! Its simply as this, don't make other transactions in your account that are not important and irrelevance to your concerns, the point of view of this statement its between your action and the result of the transaction in your account whether its your concern or not. | |
| Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:53 pm | |
Re: Charging back online casino transactions is unethical! It is actually fraud and highly illegal because you are claiming that someone else has stolen your details and make those transactions without your approval. Its a risky solution which could get you into even bigger problems. Aaron www.highstack.co.uk | |
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